Comments for The Center to Expose & Close Animal Factories http://www.closeanimalfactories.org The Center to Expose & Close Animal Factories Mon, 28 Sep 2009 19:40:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 Comment on Scott Dye, Missouri by John Doe http://www.closeanimalfactories.org/2009/04/30/scott-dye-missouri/comment-page-1/#comment-67 John Doe Mon, 28 Sep 2009 19:40:04 +0000 http://76.12.159.91/?p=338#comment-67 Look at it this way if a local community really wants to stop "factory farming" (which by the way should be corporate farming) its prettly simple, but it will never happen, why??? These large scale operations bring money into the area and someone in your area makes money off that. Ok look at this, the large farms require a huge work force, right. Either A, local people are working at the farms, B workers are relocated to the area which either buys houses, rents houses, rents apartments or, C the workers travel a long ways to work but still is a state resident. So, look at who owns anytype of rental property and those are the people makeing money by keeping these large systems operating each day. Your local "slum lord" wants to buy a new asset to add to his rentals, he has to show the bank what is going to keep renters in his rentals, right? There you go now your local banks are making money off these large corporate farms. Are there any small towns around these "coperate farms" that the business district has gotten smaller since the 80's when everyone left the farm? If so has these "coperate farms" brought lesser income to the grocery stores, hardware stores, lesser city employees employed, lesser county employees employed, lowered local grain prices, and so on? If your small towns has lost more business once these large farms came to your area then that needs to be addressed. How are these large "corporate hog farms" any different than our local "corporate grain farmers"? Here in Iowa everyone owned a couple hundred acres of row crop, now in our county 3 people "control" 99% of the acres. They don't buy inputs from the local COOP's that makes logistical sence but they buy from the lowest bidder.Which a business is to make a best effort to make a profit, oh wait isn't that what these large swine farms are trying to do? Yah there has been documented times where swine manure has reached waters of the state, shame on them BUT, what about farmers. Ahnydrous Amonia leaches into the ground very rapidly and only a certain % is available to the crops, where does that other % go to? Do you actually know what "ingredients" are in commercial fertilizers or treated seed. BAM! Reality Hit, commercial waste is diluted into grass and crop fertilizers. A quote from our past leader, commander and chief on enviromental protection, if your in the generation you should know this one and this is not to any specific industry "the solution to pollution, is dilution". Premium Standard Farms got into your site thru your state college, and if you want names it won't be hard to think about it. Look at it this way if a local community really wants to stop “factory farming” (which by the way should be corporate farming) its prettly simple, but it will never happen, why??? These large scale operations bring money into the area and someone in your area makes money off that. Ok look at this, the large farms require a huge work force, right. Either A, local people are working at the farms, B workers are relocated to the area which either buys houses, rents houses, rents apartments or, C the workers travel a long ways to work but still is a state resident. So, look at who owns anytype of rental property and those are the people makeing money by keeping these large systems operating each day. Your local “slum lord” wants to buy a new asset to add to his rentals, he has to show the bank what is going to keep renters in his rentals, right? There you go now your local banks are making money off these large corporate farms. Are there any small towns around these “coperate farms” that the business district has gotten smaller since the 80’s when everyone left the farm? If so has these “coperate farms” brought lesser income to the grocery stores, hardware stores, lesser city employees employed, lesser county employees employed, lowered local grain prices, and so on? If your small towns has lost more business once these large farms came to your area then that needs to be addressed. How are these large “corporate hog farms” any different than our local “corporate grain farmers”? Here in Iowa everyone owned a couple hundred acres of row crop, now in our county 3 people “control” 99% of the acres. They don’t buy inputs from the local COOP’s that makes logistical sence but they buy from the lowest bidder.Which a business is to make a best effort to make a profit, oh wait isn’t that what these large swine farms are trying to do? Yah there has been documented times where swine manure has reached waters of the state, shame on them BUT, what about farmers. Ahnydrous Amonia leaches into the ground very rapidly and only a certain % is available to the crops, where does that other % go to? Do you actually know what “ingredients” are in commercial fertilizers or treated seed. BAM! Reality Hit, commercial waste is diluted into grass and crop fertilizers. A quote from our past leader, commander and chief on enviromental protection, if your in the generation you should know this one and this is not to any specific industry “the solution to pollution, is dilution”. Premium Standard Farms got into your site thru your state college, and if you want names it won’t be hard to think about it.

]]> Comment on Zach and Debbie Jo McGuire, Barton County Missouri by John Doe http://www.closeanimalfactories.org/2009/06/05/zach-and-debbie-jo-mcguire-barton-county-missouri/comment-page-1/#comment-66 John Doe Mon, 28 Sep 2009 19:39:03 +0000 http://www.closeanimalfactories.org/?p=412#comment-66 Look at it this way if a local community really wants to stop "factory farming" (which by the way should be corporate farming) its prettly simple, but it will never happen, why??? These large scale operations bring money into the area and someone in your area makes money off that. Ok look at this, the large farms require a huge work force, right. Either A, local people are working at the farms, B workers are relocated to the area which either buys houses, rents houses, rents apartments or, C the workers travel a long ways to work but still is a state resident. So, look at who owns anytype of rental property and those are the people makeing money by keeping these large systems operating each day. Your local "slum lord" wants to buy a new asset to add to his rentals, he has to show the bank what is going to keep renters in his rentals, right? There you go now your local banks are making money off these large corporate farms. Are there any small towns around these "coperate farms" that the business district has gotten smaller since the 80's when everyone left the farm? If so has these "coperate farms" brought lesser income to the grocery stores, hardware stores, lesser city employees employed, lesser county employees employed, lowered local grain prices, and so on? If your small towns has lost more business once these large farms came to your area then that needs to be addressed. How are these large "corporate hog farms" any different than our local "corporate grain farmers"? Here in Iowa everyone owned a couple hundred acres of row crop, now in our county 3 people "control" 99% of the acres. They don't buy inputs from the local COOP's that makes logistical sence but they buy from the lowest bidder.Which a business is to make a best effort to make a profit, oh wait isn't that what these large swine farms are trying to do? Yah there has been documented times where swine manure has reached waters of the state, shame on them BUT, what about farmers. Ahnydrous Amonia leaches into the ground very rapidly and only a certain % is available to the crops, where does that other % go to? Do you actually know what "ingredients" are in commercial fertilizers or treated seed. BAM! Reality Hit, commercial waste is diluted into grass and crop fertilizers. A quote from our past leader, commander and chief on enviromental protection, if your in the generation you should know this one and this is not to any specific industry "the solution to pollution, is dilution". Premium Standard Farms got into your site thru YOUR STATE college, and if you want names it won't be hard for you to think about it. Look at it this way if a local community really wants to stop “factory farming” (which by the way should be corporate farming) its prettly simple, but it will never happen, why??? These large scale operations bring money into the area and someone in your area makes money off that. Ok look at this, the large farms require a huge work force, right. Either A, local people are working at the farms, B workers are relocated to the area which either buys houses, rents houses, rents apartments or, C the workers travel a long ways to work but still is a state resident. So, look at who owns anytype of rental property and those are the people makeing money by keeping these large systems operating each day. Your local “slum lord” wants to buy a new asset to add to his rentals, he has to show the bank what is going to keep renters in his rentals, right? There you go now your local banks are making money off these large corporate farms. Are there any small towns around these “coperate farms” that the business district has gotten smaller since the 80’s when everyone left the farm? If so has these “coperate farms” brought lesser income to the grocery stores, hardware stores, lesser city employees employed, lesser county employees employed, lowered local grain prices, and so on? If your small towns has lost more business once these large farms came to your area then that needs to be addressed. How are these large “corporate hog farms” any different than our local “corporate grain farmers”? Here in Iowa everyone owned a couple hundred acres of row crop, now in our county 3 people “control” 99% of the acres. They don’t buy inputs from the local COOP’s that makes logistical sence but they buy from the lowest bidder.Which a business is to make a best effort to make a profit, oh wait isn’t that what these large swine farms are trying to do? Yah there has been documented times where swine manure has reached waters of the state, shame on them BUT, what about farmers. Ahnydrous Amonia leaches into the ground very rapidly and only a certain % is available to the crops, where does that other % go to? Do you actually know what “ingredients” are in commercial fertilizers or treated seed. BAM! Reality Hit, commercial waste is diluted into grass and crop fertilizers. A quote from our past leader, commander and chief on enviromental protection, if your in the generation you should know this one and this is not to any specific industry “the solution to pollution, is dilution”. Premium Standard Farms got into your site thru YOUR STATE college, and if you want names it won’t be hard for you to think about it.

]]> Comment on Scott Dye, Missouri by nathan shoger http://www.closeanimalfactories.org/2009/04/30/scott-dye-missouri/comment-page-1/#comment-65 nathan shoger Wed, 23 Sep 2009 19:10:59 +0000 http://76.12.159.91/?p=338#comment-65 i have been managing sow farms for 10 years and before that, i grew up on a a family farm in northeast iowa. many of the claims of the anti-cafo crowd, while a few i do agree with, fail to back up their claims with real scientific, economic and enviromental data to support such complaints. i worked for premium standard farms in missouri for 1.5 years before moving to north carolina. if it wasn't for psf, that area of missouri would be even poorer and dying community. they brought thousands of jobs to the people in that community. the area of north carolina i live now (current unemployment rate is over 18%) would be far worse without cafo's and the contract growers that provide employment for the area. over 7 manufactoring and textile companies have shut down since 2000 and a hand full still around are not at and probably will never be at full production. the contract growers of these cafo's are your run of the mill "joe farmer" whom use the money for raising hogs to help pay bills and invest in their own farming operations. the animal waste that you see either sprayed or knifed into the ground has lowered costs that the farmers spends on synthetic fertilizers to raise corn,soybeans,hay, etc. my brother told me it has cut his fertilizer bill in half since he put up his swine facilities. what would you rather use,manure or man made synthetic fertilizer in your garden? any area with hogs will have odors. doesn't matter if its 100 or a 100,000 hd.the farms with the worst odors from my experience are the ones with open air lots. (i grew up raising hogs like that) i read an article the other day from a government agency stating there is no scientific data to back up claims of antibiotic use in animals that cause antibitotic resistance in people. people can blame the over prescribed drugs that doctors and patients give and take for small things like the common cold and other illness'. limiting antibiotic use in livestock will cause higher death loss, ineficient weight gain and may cause a more unsafe product going to the store shelves. which in turn will cause production costs to be higher, more sick and dying animals( animal rights activists would really go nuts if this happened) and higher food costs at the store. i know from first hand experience that these animals are treated humanely, there diet meets every nutritional need at every stage of their life and are happy and healthy. these animals live better than some people do. don't think so? next time your driving around your area or better yet go to the projects of big cities and really look around. you can ask any doctor or vet. and they will tell you (i know because i have) if these animals were being treated inhumanely they would not reproduce nearly as well as they do now or not at all. i agree that there is a higher number of dead animals on cafo's, but that is because of higher number of animals on these facilities. if you look at death loss percentages, you will find them higher on so called "traditional farming" operations especially baby pig and feeder pig mortaliy because of the lack of individual care to sows and pigs. to me this group of preditory class- action suit lawyers and some of these people who need to sue again after winning $ 100,000 ten years ago believe they have found a "cashcow" to line their pockets at the expense of farmers and consumers alike. this is america and you can choose to purchase any product your heart desires but don't do it at the expense of hard working people trying to make a living by raping the juditial system with trials that have like minded people on a jury. i have been managing sow farms for 10 years and before that, i grew up on a a family farm in northeast iowa. many of the claims of the anti-cafo crowd, while a few i do agree with, fail to back up their claims with real scientific, economic and enviromental data to support such complaints. i worked for premium standard farms in missouri for 1.5 years before moving to north carolina. if it wasn’t for psf, that area of missouri would be even poorer and dying community. they brought thousands of jobs to the people in that community. the area of north carolina i live now (current unemployment rate is over 18%) would be far worse without cafo’s and the contract growers that provide employment for the area. over 7 manufactoring and textile companies have shut down since 2000 and a hand full still around are not at and probably will never be at full production.
the contract growers of these cafo’s are your run of the mill “joe farmer” whom use the money for raising hogs to help pay bills and invest in their own farming operations. the animal waste that you see either sprayed or knifed into the ground has lowered costs that the farmers spends on synthetic fertilizers to raise corn,soybeans,hay, etc. my brother told me it has cut his fertilizer bill in half since he put up his swine facilities. what would you rather use,manure or man made synthetic fertilizer in your garden? any area with hogs will have odors. doesn’t matter if its 100 or a 100,000 hd.the farms with the worst odors from my experience are the ones with open air lots. (i grew up raising hogs like that)
i read an article the other day from a government agency stating there is no scientific data to back up claims of antibiotic use in animals that cause antibitotic resistance in people. people can blame the over prescribed drugs that doctors and patients give and take for small things like the common cold and other illness’. limiting antibiotic use in livestock will cause higher death loss, ineficient weight gain and may cause a more unsafe product going to the store shelves. which in turn will cause production costs to be higher, more sick and dying animals( animal rights activists would really go nuts if this happened) and higher food costs at the store.
i know from first hand experience that these animals are treated humanely, there diet meets every nutritional need at every stage of their life and are happy and healthy. these animals live better than some people do. don’t think so? next time your driving around your area or better yet go to the projects of big cities and really look around. you can ask any doctor or vet. and they will tell you (i know because i have) if these animals were being treated inhumanely they would not reproduce nearly as well as they do now or not at all.
i agree that there is a higher number of dead animals on cafo’s, but that is because of higher number of animals on these facilities. if you look at death loss percentages, you will find them higher on so called “traditional farming” operations especially baby pig and feeder pig mortaliy because of the lack of individual care to sows and pigs.
to me this group of preditory class- action suit lawyers and some of these people who need to sue again after winning $ 100,000 ten years ago believe they have found a “cashcow” to line their pockets at the expense of farmers and consumers alike. this is america and you can choose to purchase any product your heart desires but don’t do it at the expense of hard working people trying to make a living by raping the juditial system with trials that have like minded people on a jury.

]]> Comment on Scott Dye, Missouri by Informed agger http://www.closeanimalfactories.org/2009/04/30/scott-dye-missouri/comment-page-1/#comment-55 Informed agger Wed, 02 Sep 2009 20:49:57 +0000 http://76.12.159.91/?p=338#comment-55 I am a fourth generation farmer from rural southern iowa and my family has owned and opperated a hog confinement and i am appalled with the acusation that even confinment owner/operators dont care about the lively hood of thier livestock. As of right now even the biggest hog confinement owners are looseing all of their money due to high input costs because of government mandates upon fuel and also the media frenzy caused my miss naming the recent H1N1 virus even though birds and humans had just as much involvement with the out break. Why would you raise a animal if you are just going to loose money on it in the end? Its because they love what they do i love raising animals, i love the feeling that i have raised what is feeding the world. Also the manure produced by these hogs is a cheep for of furtilizer that helps grow the soy based products that many vegan diets consist of. So to all of you who think that farmers dont care about the product the produce and the public consume you need to quit basking in the lies from orginizations like H.U.S.U., P.E.T.A, the Sierra Club, and CECAF I am a fourth generation farmer from rural southern iowa and my family has owned and opperated a hog confinement and i am appalled with the acusation that even confinment owner/operators dont care about the lively hood of thier livestock. As of right now even the biggest hog confinement owners are looseing all of their money due to high input costs because of government mandates upon fuel and also the media frenzy caused my miss naming the recent H1N1 virus even though birds and humans had just as much involvement with the out break. Why would you raise a animal if you are just going to loose money on it in the end? Its because they love what they do i love raising animals, i love the feeling that i have raised what is feeding the world. Also the manure produced by these hogs is a cheep for of furtilizer that helps grow the soy based products that many vegan diets consist of. So to all of you who think that farmers dont care about the product the produce and the public consume you need to quit basking in the lies from orginizations like H.U.S.U., P.E.T.A, the Sierra Club, and CECAF

]]> Comment on Zach and Debbie Jo McGuire, Barton County Missouri by Framer Jack http://www.closeanimalfactories.org/2009/06/05/zach-and-debbie-jo-mcguire-barton-county-missouri/comment-page-1/#comment-46 Framer Jack Sun, 12 Jul 2009 14:28:11 +0000 http://www.closeanimalfactories.org/?p=412#comment-46 One of the major problems seems to be the lack of respect for the rural people that have to live next to these facilities. Do want you want on your land , but keep the smell, water pollution and open your corporate market place to those that do it different. We used to have an auction in different towns for all farm animals almost everyday of the week. Now if you don't have a contract you have no auction to sell at so alot of people quit and that gave them more control. It is sad that a young family trying to find their dream on the farm has the corporate pig turn their neighborhood into an industrial park. One of the major problems seems to be the lack of respect for the rural people that have to live next to these facilities. Do want you want on your land , but keep the smell, water pollution and open your corporate market place to those that do it different. We used to have an auction in different towns for all farm animals almost everyday of the week. Now if you don’t have a contract you have no auction to sell at so alot of people quit and that gave them more control. It is sad that a young family trying to find their dream on the farm has the corporate pig turn their neighborhood into an industrial park.

]]> Comment on Zach and Debbie Jo McGuire, Barton County Missouri by carla, missouri http://www.closeanimalfactories.org/2009/06/05/zach-and-debbie-jo-mcguire-barton-county-missouri/comment-page-1/#comment-45 carla, missouri Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:28:45 +0000 http://www.closeanimalfactories.org/?p=412#comment-45 I find it hard to believe that our government (that regulates everything) is not regulating these big CAFO operations. The smell, and the manure that is dumped into our creeks and streams that flow into our water systems is aweful. This is NOT healthy, not to mentions the meat that comes from the hogs are pumped full of hormones and antibiotics, what does that do to our children? SOMETHING MUST BE DONE!! I find it hard to believe that our government (that regulates everything) is not regulating these big CAFO
operations. The smell, and the manure that is dumped into our creeks and streams that flow into our water systems is aweful. This is NOT healthy, not to mentions the meat that comes from the hogs are pumped full of hormones and antibiotics, what does that do to our children? SOMETHING MUST BE DONE!!

]]> Comment on Scott Dye, Missouri by Scott Dye http://www.closeanimalfactories.org/2009/04/30/scott-dye-missouri/comment-page-1/#comment-38 Scott Dye Thu, 18 Jun 2009 18:48:58 +0000 http://76.12.159.91/?p=338#comment-38 To farmer's wife - USDA defines a farmer as maintaining control over all business decisions of the farm. Contract growers have almost no control over decisions. Their multi-national overlords owns the animals, supplies the antibiotic-laced feed, and decides when and how many animals are moved in and out of the facility. Contract growers DO get to decide what to do with the many mortalities, which the corporations won't take. To be called a hog farmer, you need to own hogs (or chickens, turkeys, etc). Otherwise, you're simply a hog janitor, working for a corporation. To Kendrick Eason - Since my family has operated our family farm since 1885, your characterization of me as anti-farming is inacccurate. Rather than bland factory-produced meat with drug residues, many great alternatives exist--Niman Ranch, Laura's Beef, Patchwork Family Farms pork, etc--that taste better, are raised humanely, and don't menace rural communities with liquified feces and noxious fumes. To farmer’s wife – USDA defines a farmer as maintaining control over all business decisions of the farm. Contract growers have almost no control over decisions. Their multi-national overlords owns the animals, supplies the antibiotic-laced feed, and decides when and how many animals are moved in and out of the facility. Contract growers DO get to decide what to do with the many mortalities, which the corporations won’t take. To be called a hog farmer, you need to own hogs (or chickens, turkeys, etc). Otherwise, you’re simply a hog janitor, working for a corporation.

To Kendrick Eason – Since my family has operated our family farm since 1885, your characterization of me as anti-farming is inacccurate. Rather than bland factory-produced meat with drug residues, many great alternatives exist–Niman Ranch, Laura’s Beef, Patchwork Family Farms pork, etc–that taste better, are raised humanely, and don’t menace rural communities with liquified feces and noxious fumes.

]]> Comment on Rolf Christen, Missouri by AndrewBoldman http://www.closeanimalfactories.org/2009/04/30/rolf-christen-missouri/comment-page-1/#comment-31 AndrewBoldman Thu, 04 Jun 2009 22:14:45 +0000 http://76.12.159.91/?p=1#comment-31 da best. Keep it going! Thank you da best. Keep it going! Thank you

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]]> Comment on Rolf Christen, Missouri by KrisBelucci http://www.closeanimalfactories.org/2009/04/30/rolf-christen-missouri/comment-page-1/#comment-28 KrisBelucci Tue, 02 Jun 2009 08:36:08 +0000 http://76.12.159.91/?p=1#comment-28 Great post! Just wanted to let you know you have a new subscriber- me! Great post! Just wanted to let you know you have a new subscriber- me!

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